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What's really going to happen....

by eeruck01, Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:23:32 AM EST

a few things.

1. Obama has the delegates.(He will get the nomination.)

2. Obama has 2.5 million donors. With that many people who are also able to share wealth with the DNC, he's got a lot of clout. (He will get the nomination.)

3. Many of Hillary's supporters will return to being Republicans Nov. 4th, 2008. (even if she were the nominee) However, we know Obama will get the nomination.

Hillary,

That is reality. Go to the convention, argue a false point (and it really is. It saddens me that many of your supporters don't have the resources to discover the truth) and lose the election for your party. Then explain to your female supporters why the Supreme Court cancels their right to choose. Also explain why they are continuing to lose sons and daughters in the war and why gas prices simply won't go down.

a tragedy.

Supporters,

Hillary isn't losing because of sexism. She is losing because she didn't come prepared to play the game. She thought she had it because she was "Hillary Clinton" and her bravado failed her. Remember Pride goeth before a fall.

Tags: Clinton, Lost, This, Race (all tags)

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Re: What's really going to happen.... (none / 0)

this race is over.

Yes, a woman! Just not this one.

by eeruck01 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:26:03 AM EST

sincere question... (none / 0)

what is the purpose of this diary?

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:30:06 AM EST

I think know (none / 0)

looking at the comments it's a response to Alegre's diary on going all the way to Denver.

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:33:42 AM EST
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Re: I think know (none / 0)

meaning its against the site rules, the rule that doesnt allow a diarists to call out another diarist?

by alyssa chaos on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:00:19 AM EST
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you can print rebuttals (none / 0)

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:01:11 AM EST
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Re: you can print rebuttals (none / 0)

hmm i suppose there is a very fine line between rebuttal and call out.

by alyssa chaos on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:03:05 AM EST
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Re: you can print rebuttals (none / 0)

but...but...a rebuttal isn't fair. Lol.

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by catilinus on Thu May 22, 2008 at 07:22:30 AM EST
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A diary? (2.00 / 1)

I have trouble calling this a diary. Condescending, bad grammar, divisive. Reads more like a rant to me.

Another Clintonista against John McCain

by psychodrew on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:37:53 AM EST
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Re: A diary? (none / 0)

All to familiar a sight, lately.

New Mexico politics from the local perspective.

by fbihop on Thu May 22, 2008 at 04:20:20 AM EST
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Re: A diary? (none / 0)

do you mean, all TOO familiar, perhaps.

by eeruck01 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:15:39 AM EST
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Re: sincere question... (none / 0)

The far left has a tendency to get very very bothered by viewpoints with which they don't agree. I'm not a fan of Bill O'Reilly but he doesn't get under my skin and drive me mad very much; I simply recognize him as a petulant idiot and change the channel. I don't feel compelled to scream out at the top of my lungs that he's a biased shill. I think the truth about his lunacy speaks for itself.

But the left feeds into Bill'O and Fox by giving them so much (negative) attention.

Now Obama supporters are freaking out that Hillary has publicized her popular vote lead. I think they need to calm down.

Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.

by BPK80 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 06:14:38 AM EST
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Patience (2.00 / 1)

We have come this far we might as well finish up the season and let MT SD and PR have a competitive race. Then on June 4th we will have a nominee.

Patience is a virtue that one would be well done to acquire. If after the primaries are over there is little room to perform party sapping maneuvers on both sides and we will come together to beat the John McCain underpants gnomes

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by Student Guy on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:35:13 AM EST

Re: What's really going to happen.... (1.00 / 5)

We're going to the convention floor, where we will seat all the delegates from FL and MI, neither candidate will have the required number of dels, the supers will vote, and Hillary will win.

THAT is what will happen.

Goodbye, Obama.

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by switching sides on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:45:25 AM EST

Re: What's really going to happen.... (none / 0)

Honestly what do you think is going to happen?

Do you really think they'll change it?

not going to happen.

by eeruck01 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:47:12 AM EST
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We will seat FL and MI before the convention (none / 0)

And the supers will give Obama the majority in June. The GE campaign will then start. Senator Clinton will be expected to help out. If and when she does, I might help out with her campaign debts.

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by lizardbox on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:49:28 AM EST
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Re: We will seat FL and MI before the convention (none / 0)

Providing, of course, she dosen't drag this out any longer than she already has.

If she refuses to concede even after Obama has surpassed the new number after whatever the MI and FL compromise is, then she will never see a dime from me.

If she finally goes away kicking and screaming and finally ending her little vanity parade, I doubt many people at all will help retire her debt.

by Deano963 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:57:00 AM EST
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Understandable (none / 0)

I'm in the same boat. As much as I despise her campaign and the tactics it employed, I'll still help if she helps the party and its nominee out, as she should.

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by lizardbox on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:02:11 AM EST
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Re: Understandable (2.00 / 3)

Have you guys ever paid attention to politics at all? You aren't going to be expected to help retire her debt should she not be the nominee. That will be dealt with privately. The Clintons will want whatever donations you're willing to make to go to candidates who are running. That's the way it works.

Most of her debt is to herself, and whatever small remainder there is will be made up with in a year or so of Bill giving speeches. Obama may pitch in on the debt to vendors, but that's his choice.

If you think you're going to seduce Hillary into leaving earlier with offers to help out with debt, then you're sorely missing the point of her candidacy. She represents literally half the voters, and the majority of Democrats want her to stay in the race. She has a moral obligation to the people who have voted for her to finish what she has started. She does not owe Obama or the Democratic party leaving early just because it would make it easier for Obama to claim the win. She just doesn't.

Threatening us with Roe and war isn't going to work. She's running better against McCain, and if you're that worried about those issues, hammer your own candidate to drop out and leave mine alone. She's going to Denver with the fight and she's as likely to be the nominee at this point as Obama is - I mean, he's not exactly burning things up on the campaign trail anymore.

by glitterannebegay on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:14:06 AM EST
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Re: Understandable (2.00 / 1)

No. She owes it to no one to leave early, I agree. If she's in it still to go the distance, to set the bar, and reaches the end with about half the votes, that's great. I will be very appreciative (as I am now in many ways). If she's within 10-20 delegates when all is said and done, then take it to the convention. If the difference is a 100, then bow out after the last contest and let us bring the party together and go after McCain.

Saying that she's "as likely to be the nominee at this point as Obama is" is just a fantasy. It does not compute.

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by lizardbox on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:44:31 AM EST
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Re: Understandable (none / 0)

This was a very lucid and cogent response.

Thank you.

Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.

by BPK80 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 06:16:51 AM EST
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Re: Understandable (none / 0)

Unfortunately, the Clintons plan to go to the convention. Here's hoping that enough SDs come out this week to end this self-defeating stupidity.

McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.

by catilinus on Thu May 22, 2008 at 07:26:30 AM EST
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Hahahahahahahaahahahahaahaha (none / 0)

"She's going to Denver with the fight and she's as likely to be the nominee at this point as Obama is "

LOL. Thanks glitter - that was good for a laugh. I needed that.

by Deano963 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 11:45:54 AM EST
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Re: We will seat FL and MI before the convention (1.00 / 1)

The superdelegates don't vote until the convention.

This has been a 'democractic primary' lesson brought to you by Switching Sides

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by switching sides on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:38:32 AM EST
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Re: We will seat FL and MI before the convention (none / 0)

The pledged delegates won't vote until the convention either. What's your point?

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by lizardbox on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:45:17 AM EST
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Re: We will seat FL and MI before the convention (1.50 / 2)

The point is that he hasn't won the primary until the convention.

See?

Enjoy.

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by switching sides on Thu May 22, 2008 at 04:15:08 AM EST
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Then McCain wins (none / 0)

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 06:37:02 AM EST
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Re: What's really going to happen.... (none / 0)

If that is what you think will happen, then you should probably say "goodbye" to African-Americans and many other Democrats as well, because the Democratic Party isn't going to get their votes for a long, long time.

If you think the consequences of nominating Obama are harsh, wait'll you see the potential consequences of nominating Hillary.

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by mistersite on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:50:37 AM EST
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What are you talking about? (none / 0)

I said we will nominate Obama. Please read my comment again.

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by lizardbox on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:03:15 AM EST
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But then again, you weren't responding (none / 0)

to my comment... accordingly, I will TR myself (if I could)

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by lizardbox on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:04:25 AM EST
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Re: But then again, you weren't responding (none / 0)

heh... no problem.

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by mistersite on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:05:01 AM EST
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no blackmail! (1.00 / 4)

I won't be blackmailed into voting for a disenfranchising facist.

Take your threats elsewhere.

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by switching sides on Thu May 22, 2008 at 04:15:59 AM EST
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Neither will I (2.00 / 1)

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 06:37:27 AM EST
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Re: no blackmail! (2.00 / 1)

Did you mean "fascist"?

If so - evidence or retraction. Hop to it.

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by mistersite on Thu May 22, 2008 at 11:17:53 AM EST
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Serious accusation (none / 0)

Accusing someone of being a fascist should not be taken so lightly, especially when you have absolutely no evidence to do so.

Either put up or stfu, switching sides.

by Deano963 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 11:49:42 AM EST
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Re: What's really going to happen.... (1.33 / 3)

You can't possibly be that stupid.

So I'll assume you're trolling.

by Deano963 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:54:09 AM EST
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Re: What's really going to happen.... (none / 0)

any more insulting? lets tar and feather them, after we insult their intelligence.

Im downrating you for your insult.

by alyssa chaos on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:05:21 AM EST
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Re: What's really going to happen.... (none / 0)

"tar and feather," "Nazi Germany," & you love to troll rate. I pray this is over soon.

McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.

by catilinus on Thu May 22, 2008 at 07:29:24 AM EST
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Re: What's really going to happen.... (none / 0)

you know catilinus im a pretty rational person but I believe that the worse insult anyone can throw out on this site has to deal with effectively dismissing a person's arguement or honest opinions. Im sorry that you think calling someone stupid and thefore throwing them aside and discrediting their arguement as stupid talk is how things in a online DISCUSSION community should work.

I dont abuse the troll ratings, I seldom use them except when people commit the act of discrediting someone based on no facts.

I justified my ratings use and if you feel it unfair then too bad, try and change my mind with some facts. Otherwise keep praying.

by alyssa chaos on Thu May 22, 2008 at 07:44:48 AM EST
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Re: What's really going to happen.... (none / 0)

It's easy to disagree without troll rating. I'm no saint, yet I've never troll rated anyone.

Online disagreement on a progressive site shouldn't involve comparing each other to nazis.

I really don't know what to say about the use of "tar and feather."

McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.

by catilinus on Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:05:13 PM EST
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Re: What's really going to happen.... (2.00 / 1)

'tar and feather' is offensive to who? i mean if you want to nit pick, pull out an enclyopedia and make a list of anyone that was tar and feathered in 19th century (or farther back) and list it so you can point out exactly who I am offending. Thats what.

Nazis is the other post, so you bringing up here is spreading the wrong doing. I already apologized for my earlier statement, but you are just itching to bring it up in an-unrelated post, arent you? [it was referring to the oppression many feel they must imposed on us 'crazies' who suuport Sen. Clinton.]

I justified my rating, [calling someone stupid is beyond neccessary and only dismisses their arguement without any fact or justification, no where did the offender give any fact other than call them stupid.]

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by alyssa chaos on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:34:20 AM EST
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Re: What's really going to happen.... (none / 0)

I called no one stupid. I wrote, "Unfortunately, the Clintons plan to go to the convention. Here's hoping that enough SDs come out this week to end this self-defeating stupidity."

"stupidity" = the idea of a convention fight, & not a person.

I am not Deano63 who wrote. "You can't possibly be that stupid." I am not defending or replying to that comment.

I shouldn't have said you love to troll rate. I have no idea how often you troll rate. I do apologize for that. I salute you for apologizing about the nazi comment, and for telling me you did.

I didn't call you stupid, and I doubt very much that you are. I think, however, having a convention fight is a stupid idea. I hold some stupid ideas, but that is not one of them.

McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.

by catilinus on Fri May 23, 2008 at 03:52:24 AM EST
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i am uprating you.... (2.00 / 1)

not because i necessarily agree, but yet again, people are abusing their ratings...

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:56:41 AM EST
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Re: What's really going to happen.... (none / 0)

And please tell my why the hell the supers would suddenly make an about face and vote for Hillary?

"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08

by feliks on Thu May 22, 2008 at 07:28:12 AM EST
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I wonder (none / 0)

even under Clinton's alien math in regards to popular vote. What if Obama wins her version of the popular vote. What's next? What's the argument?

May be we start talking about the "Democratic popular vote"?

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by lizardbox on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:47:27 AM EST

Re: What's really going to happen.... (2.00 / 1)

i suppose that the more abbrassive people are towards Hillary and her supporters the more they will feel inclined to vote for Obama??

you achieve nothing with this kind of diary, other than piss hardcore Hillary supporters off.

I think that you seem to be under the notion that Hillary supporters are being naive and stupid, in not understanding Sen. Clinton's chances of winning. Maybe they have their own HOPE? No i guess not, that would make them human. and Hillary supporters are anything but human.

If Sen. Obama does lose, knock on wood, it will not be because of bitter Hillary supporters it will be because of the hostility and lack of understanding toward them and Obama's lack to reach out to them.

congrats on a bitter and devisive diary.

by alyssa chaos on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:51:10 AM EST

Re: What's really going to happen.... (none / 0)

Real winners have some grace. This is just the usual mix of arrogant insecurity, resentment, and vanity that Obama supporters feel entitled to.

I used to think Democrats were the Party of intelligent people. It's painful to to watch as the Obama crowd conforms to a sort of individually intelligent form of collective stupidity.

by killjoy on Thu May 22, 2008 at 05:03:33 AM EST
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When you want (none / 0)

her to destroy him, take it to the covention, floor fight, Wright, Ayers, Rezko, he can't win, he will lose, fairy tale, cultist, you know I'm tired of being nice. You don't get special treatment because you won Kentucky. Try being nice to US too.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 06:39:33 AM EST
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She'll get it....One Day! (none / 0)

Instead of talking about how Obama is going to win why dont we just stop talking about it. Really we've had 16mo of it and we finally have a conclusion. Yes, some are unhappy with it but i filled up my car today and i was unhappy with how much faster the "amount" line moved than the "gallons" line did but its not like i could slow it down.
CONCLUSION: By defending the FACT Obama has won, we are validating her arguement that the race is still on when it clearly is not. When she realizes no one is even paying attention anymore maybe she'll get it.

by affratboy22 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:18:34 AM EST

1. Obama has the delegates. (1.33 / 3)

"1. Obama has the delegates."

No he doesn't. It's mathematicaly impossible for Obama to get the required delegate count until the SUpers vote at the convention.

Thanks for playing, though.

Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.

by switching sides on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:39:53 AM EST

How is this person still here? (1.50 / 2)

I think this is the moment when Clinton suppoters and Obama supporters troll rate every comment by this troll until somebody upstairs comes down on him/her.

Calling Obama a fascist on every diary tonight or worse.

Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!

by spacemanspiff on Thu May 22, 2008 at 04:36:40 AM EST
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This is a troll diary by the way n/t (none / 0)

Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!

by spacemanspiff on Thu May 22, 2008 at 04:37:44 AM EST
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Re: How is this person still here? (none / 0)

I'm sure you had no problem calling Bush a facist when he disenfranchised millions in Florida. Well, neither did I.

ANd neither do I have the problem with Obama.

I call them like I see them. TR away!

Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.

by switching sides on Thu May 22, 2008 at 06:44:31 AM EST
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We're not Republicans (none / 0)

Hillary supporters aren't Republicans. But keep pushing the way you are, and you may just lose some of us.

The simple FACT is that so far in this primary season, more Americans chose Hillary Clinton over any other candidate, Republican or Democrat. This is a fact that NO ONE can dispute. NO ONE.

by Sieglinde on Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:43:23 AM EST

Re: What's really going to happen.... (2.00 / 1)

Always funny to see people go all military about implied violations of "site rules" when they are arguing that election rules don't matter.

by fightbull on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:12:45 AM EST

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